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S gear with Nebula 3 years 9 months ago #12623

i never tried to drive the sgear input with a compressor... check the result... is not only volume.... it really drive the amp into cream distortionoverdriveness :silly: :gripped: ...


by the way the duke sound soo sweet man...soo gentle....

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NO COMP

www.mediafire.com/listen/chwejasa577einz/DUMBLE2+NO+COMP.wav

WITH COMP

www.mediafire.com/listen/25q9hh47mw2eooz/DUMBLE2.wav


gotta love sgear...

the trick is to use the "saturation" from the comp and not the compression... my treshold is set very low... but i've 2 compressors with different input settings...

that "aha"eureka moment.. soo nice... :whistle:

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p.s - cabs are nebula and the compressor is the brand new manic compressor from bozdigital... and im using two amps one track im using the wayfarer sort of a fender clean sound with a 2x12 cab... and the other track a have the duke with the overdrive on into a 4x12 ...both panned center rythm delay is from liontone preset no extra tweak and the solo delay is from the edge preset no tweak either...only eq section of the amps...
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 9 months ago #12655

:gripped: two tracks... one with a little drive and another with no drive ...

drive off www.mediafire.com/listen/w25sh64td764bhd/DUKE+DRIVE+OFF.wav

drive on www.mediafire.com/listen/lmqdroas79b5m1t/DUKE+DRIVE.wav

the duke again .... B)
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12711

;) nebula (4x12 cabinet and a tape machine on the buss) and some friends ...

Stealer amp...

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Bonamassa inspired tone... www.mediafire.com/listen/97yvemj1xmjwzkb/jb.wav

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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12732

Sounded really wide and organic dude!!

I tried Amplitube 4. The amps are very much like the old amplitube stuff very plastic sound but i liked the cabs somehow. Some cabs worked really god with s-gear. I dont know if they are impulses but they have some non linear algo stuff going on there to make the sound more organic and you felt the air more moving. But still the Marc nebula is favorite.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12759

tks bro :thumbs up: organic that's the word .. at least i think we are in the same boat... me likes :feeling it: that organice sound very much !!! lol

i think the tape preset help to give that creamy vibe to the sound...

i think the way to go is to create a dynamic cab section... irs can fool some people but i think if a real sound is the goal..you have no shortcuts... recreate real scenario is the hard part, but i think nebula cabs are nice for that...

amplitube is ok.... but latley im on th3 from overloud... the pedals works really well with sgear... and the amps on th3 are very nice too...

we have a lot of good options these day.... on thing that i like aobut all of those programs is that they sound different... th3 is more in your face... the sound is thicker.. while sgear have a unique depth to the amp head which is hard to explain but the best word imo is depth ...

but we can combine all of them all togheter creating an amazing plataform for creative sounds ... and that's all about ...imo
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12766

I played with TH2 for a while and I’d agree with that. I really do like the sound. A lot may be the Respire 2 tech. The Overloud amps use much less CPU than S-Gear. The 8x OS in S-Gear helps the high end sound more natural. That could be the depth factor. Maybe Overloud does some kind of filtering trick in the audible range? It does have a sort of compressed sound compared to S-Gear. Maybe not as realistic, but “musical” none the less. Either way, I did like it better than Amplitube, and the pedals all sound more musical too.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12788

:cheer: have you tried the new version the th3 Greg ?

today is cool to have soo many options... but while is god i keep turing my fingers back to sgear...

here is just a little clip showing the difference of a little eq applied to a nebula cabinet...

imo sounds thicker...

with effects

eq off www.mediafire.com/listen/44h6dtv6pdlpr9q/rock+off.wav

eq on www.mediafire.com/listen/0nvp9uqg088xfl5/rock+on.wav

no delay

eq off www.mediafire.com/listen/6znuh620ezle0u6/rock+off+delay.wav

eq on www.mediafire.com/listen/opn726lej3amgq3/rock+on+on+delay.wav


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and when i listen to this clip i really think that a great part of the "sound" that we associate with "marshall, vox, fender" ... the speaker itself is one extremly big part of the puzzle... because in this example im using the duke and to my ears sounds a lot like a marshall rock tone...

im using a 4x12 with a H-PR-55 Based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12H with 55 Hz cone.


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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12807

I talked with Kevin from Ownnhammer and I think that you should know this cause you are daily Nebula user.

I asked him will he enable option for buying Nebal cabs,Here is his answer:
"I went ahead and re-enabled the Channel Colors section, however I must
say there was an update to Nebula that broke the category name scheme
with the files, as I used 4 characters and now it forces the libraries
to only the first 3. At this point I do not have time to work on or
update Nebula content, so in order for the Category names to function
properly the user would need to edit them in NAT prior to use:

The Nebula speaker cabinet libraries I cannot re-enable, however. In
addition to the above problem which is exacerbated 10 fold from the
vastly extended content list, I came to find that the Nebula stimulus
file, while it works perfectly for hardware sampling, was the reason for
upwards of 40 decibels of hypersonic noise in open air cabinet capture.
In this way, the files are not natural or accurate, and also do not
represent the brand well as I have had this pointed out to me by other
large software and amp manufacturing developers, which frankly was
extremely embarrassing that I didn't catch this sooner. The problem was
ONLY the Nebula sweep file, which is why my new libraries are not Nebula
capable (I had to create a new stimulus that was not generated by
Nebula, not compatible with Nebula, and also does not exhibit this
problem even though the rest of my signal chain is exactly the same).

Hope this helps to explain!"
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12811

;) tks for the info !

to be honest i think that with a eq you can get the cabs to sound more on the "dark" tone type... but with a big eq "cut" ... since the cabs normally have that extra air sound... to my ears and the recent results showed me that it is possible to make the cabs to sound better with eq than without...

regarding all the hipersonic and different siganl test tones well that 's something i don't understand completly ... since i never tried to sample with NAT...

is hard to see that with nebula they have the tech and tools, but almost nobody want to work hard to create dynamic cabs....

maybe in a near future.. i would love to se Kevin working on something new and release a brand new product without any problems...

i know that is hard to do the sample process since it takes a LOT of time to do it... and in the end very few peolpe but the poduct... compared to the much fastter way to capture irs and do the sales... im waitting for a dynamic nebula cab developer to step into this "game" and after that we will be able to use awesome product with great results... the thing is

im already happy with the results that im getting and with eq things get even better

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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12812

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;) tks for the info !

to be honest i think that with a eq you can get the cabs to sound more on the "dark" tone type... but with a big eq "cut" ... since the cabs normally have that extra air sound... to my ears and the recent results showed me that it is possible to make the cabs to sound better with eq than without...

regarding all the hipersonic and different siganl test tones well that 's something i don't understand completly ... since i never tried to sample with NAT...

is hard to see that with nebula they have the tech and tools, but almost nobody want to work hard to create dynamic cabs....

maybe in a near future.. i would love to se Kevin working on something new and release a brand new product without any problems...

i know that is hard to do the sample process since it takes a LOT of time to do it... and in the end very few peolpe but the poduct... compared to the much fastter way to capture irs and do the sales... im waitting for a dynamic nebula cab developer to step into this "game" and after that we will be able to use awesome product with great results... the thing is

im already happy with the results that im getting and with eq things get even better

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Well if you see his comments he discounted the product after he found out how it sounds in Nebula got nothing to do that real amp behaviour if I get it right from his message.He felt embarrassed and discount the product.

Sampling method is not so hard thing to do.Trillion companies have sampled instruments in last at least 30 years,especially today you got it on every corner.So there is enough knowledge and people to gather for that product.And I`m sure it will sell well if anyone is really interested in it currently.
But its certainly missing link.

Making any good product takes a lot of time and hard work despite the amount of work,and skills.

Nebula existing from 2008,regardless that time they could as well from that concept upgrade much more and achieve more for 10 years in my personal opinion. At least to make it less CPU hog,and more friendly gui for a start.

But technology is going better every day so we will get a real deal eventually in this decade I hope so,no matter from what company.

People planning to go to Mars in 2022 and if we get no luck still have no 100% realistic guitar sound from software. :unsure:
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12813

Seems like two things need to be cleared up. First: Kevin discovered there was up to 40dB of hypersonic (frequencies above human hearing) noise added to his speaker cab response samples. It still sounds good to me. I would have never known. I'd think it could be effectively removed by certain programs that can extract noise from samples. Maybe not.

Second: this type of sampling is not like instrument sampling. It's capturing response characteristics, usually using various IR's as sample sources. It was first done to create IR reverbs, AFAIK. Probably more in depth with Nebula, but it may be automated at this point.
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Seems like two things need to be cleared up. First: Kevin discovered there was up to 40dB of hypersonic (frequencies above human hearing) noise added to his speaker cab response samples. It still sounds good to me. I would have never known. I'd think it could be effectively removed by certain programs that can extract noise from samples. Maybe not.

Second: this type of sampling is not like instrument sampling. It's capturing response characteristics, usually using various IR's as sample sources. It was first done to create IR reverbs, AFAIK. Probably more in depth with Nebula, but it may be automated at this point.

Either way he wont sell it more,even if you ask him.If that is not so much big deal I do not know why he is embarressed in a first place and discounted the product.

If they capture multiple IR`s it would not take too much time to make the library the same way in ownhammer he made set with dozen in one package.

I am aware that Nebula is based on IR samplings.I like some of their suff very much like eq`s,some dont,like compressors for instance.

But its no matter really.All is matter that it could get good results.

Friend of mine bought Amplitube 4 and I managed to get some di tracks to test cabs.
They really work nice,great low end,only that all amps start to sound somehow Amplitube alike .;)
There is something in those cabs,probably post processing which make it sound like that probably.

Amps again sound like plastic,but have some more whistles as options...
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12815

Setting up the mics all those different ways for each cabinet, and capturing all the IR's might actually be pretty time consuming –44 discrete mic positions for the '412-GTR_MAR-RI_V30-EN-16_V3-Mix' set with another 24 single mic samples (if that's one of the Nebula sets). I really think the noise could be removed with an advanced filtering app, or maybe with a file averaging/phase-cancellation technique above a certain frequency.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12818

I also think there is a big difference of creating the static snapshots vs nebula programs. Nebula programs is very time consuming and take a lot of time to create and to make a complete set of the programs with a bunch of impulses working together. And on the other hand there is a very small group of nebula guitar users so demand is not that big and is not generating money like static snapshots do. They are very easy to use and are supported in many convolution plugins. Mercuriall also had fantastic cab program but ended up using static impulses in the latest amp program so maybe it is not worth the time to create dynamic cabs.

I also tried amplitube 4. There some really good cabs in there with a good fat low end. The marshall for nebula still sounds fantastic but nebula is far from perfect and is not somehow dedicated to guitar cabs. So i hope like everyone else here there will come some awesome stuff in the future for more organic cabs ;)
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12821

:( nebula sampling take soo much time... to be honest i think one of the reasons why Kevin decide to take them down is because some folks start to question him about new stuff into nebula land... and again.. nebula don't have a extreme big large users base...

even worst when we talk about guitarrist... and amp sims guys... this number decrease a lot! and imo Kevin wont spend as much time and effort creating almost a "hand made solution" for a guys or two...

is hard to believe in that... because he need to improve the sales... and with irs this can cover the ground a lot better than with nebula format...

but i still waitting for some release like a dynamic cabinet no matter the format..nebula or not.. i want always better quality... and better results...

this is wat im exploring at the moment a nebula guitar related program gtr vtx... i think you just need to applie some eq and you are good to go...

the results sit in the mix very well and the dynamics to my ears and fingers is something like sgear if not better... at least this what i can say based on my own experiments...

"raw" tone no eq
www.mediafire.com/listen/crcdq5xo6voc086/gain+eq+off.wav

just a little eq most part cut
www.mediafire.com/listen/ip3y2ai5x2v6fqv/gain+eq.wav

and a final eq based on a real guitar track... that i've tried to match by ear...
www.mediafire.com/listen/duz9uedmewng37l/eq+final.wav


and here you can listen to a more mellow less gain tone.. very nice for solo stuff... my guitar volume was on 5 ...

tone with delay
www.mediafire.com/listen/oazk8msfj6y1l1d/gain+SMOOTH.wav

no delay raw
www.mediafire.com/listen/y3c1jqgu90t4gjw...+SMOOTH+NO+DELAY.wav

the signal chain was:

th3 only pedals working togheter to creat distortion and overdrive...

nebula gtr vtx...

eq...

the th3 pedals sound great imo... you can cover soo much ground with those... no nebula is not perfect but is the best solution that i've heard ... and i really hope to see this tech evolve or other new company release something new in this cool area of amp sims...
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12824

The first one raw sounded really good bro. I also use vtx nowdays. I was very impressed by the dynamics but thats probably becuse he sampled the whole chain. I only use the cab programs but there is good combo of amps in there so it covers up a lot of styles. With a good pedal or s-gear/studio devil in front of it and it sounds amazing. Seems that the CDsoundmaster folks know what they are doing when sampling that kind of stuff.They have a big amount of nebula libraries.


I also spoke to mercuriall today and he sad that they are planning to release new cab programs!!!
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12832

tks Daco!

Well i keep waitting for a new and better approach.. because i just can't stick with irs... they can work but they don't give me the sound that i want...

i need something better... because i can't go back to normal irs... check gtr vtx with sgear here...

sgear own cab and sgear amp with nebula gtr vtx with eq applied...

sgear www.mediafire.com/listen/mmqz60996q900kc/Sgear.wav

nebula gtr vtx www.mediafire.com/listen/97mdrf4b12g79x6/Nebula.wav

B) nice to see other folks moving forward ....

i will post clips latter on with some "match eq after the final tone.. the results are very nice and close to what real amp sounds.. for real..

something like these tones...

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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12833

Yeah man i think people are working on things all the time. Also nice to small devs pushing it forward with technology ;)
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 8 months ago #12845

Daco_one wrote:

Yeah man i think people are working on things all the time. Also nice to small devs pushing it forward with technology ;)

yeah man that's nice


by the way check my last exploration... gtr vtx with sgear amp heads...

here you can hear the sound of the stealler.... with own cabs and with nebula gtr vtx...

since gtr vtx is a preamp capture the alone is strange and weird... but if you use some nice eq you can shape the sound into "more lively " sounds...

this is not a simple plug and play , you need to do a extra tweak with the eq.,.. but the results speak for themselves

SGEAR OWN CAB www.mediafire.com/view/9wbkgiv5lnv9it4/e%20sgear.wav

NEBULA stealler amp head www.mediafire.com/listen/ffk13fo4vy6rsff/e+neb.wav

and here without the delay...

SGEAR NO DELAY www.mediafire.com/listen/s81fjm5mfaa1kor/e+sgear+no+fx.wav

NEBULA NO DELAY www.mediafire.com/listen/io5k34hincoh9ci/e+neb+no+fx.wav

i know the volume level are different..but don't take that in consideration since i didn't match the levels ... but you can hear how much of the difference nebula adds to the sound...

this gtr vtx is a very nice library program and very very underated... most of the times folks don't try to apply eq after the nebula program and think the sound is weird and don't use the program, but this is a geem for sure!
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 7 months ago #13028

since i don't have my guitar for a few days i decide to work on a few tests ...

signal chain
one main track with pedal and amp with the input signal feed to two aux tracks with cabs
(since the main sound is without the cabs and can sound harsh i decide to turn the volume all the way down and feed the signal to aux tracks via post fader.
pedals - overloud th3
amp - sgear stealer
cabinets - nebula 4x12 marc 421mic / nebula gtr vtx high gain -cabs are inside aux (1and 2)

full mix - www.mediafire.com/listen/q52pudindkron62...PEDALS+AND+SGEAR.wav

gtr and bass- www.mediafire.com/listen/8on1ppd5im15qdb...+PEDALS+GTR+BASS.wav

gtr only - www.mediafire.com/listen/chicuk6rqr1we5i/TH3+PEDALS+GTR+.wav

aux1 - www.mediafire.com/listen/nvq5n6a51hbgyge/TH3+PEDALS+AUX+1.wav

aux2 - www.mediafire.com/listen/cs8nwp54g1z13ct/TH3+PEDALS+AUX+2.wav

and a chart just to ilustrate the signal chain


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