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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12034

gabrielscruff wrote:

i don't want to make ir sound bad.. but.. i think i preffer nebula... "almost full mix.. " ... sounds cool huh?
full nebula
www.mediafire.com/listen/to9abanmtc6uidc/full+1.wav

without power amp nebula
www.mediafire.com/listen/3b585dpzw454e5a/full+2+no+pwr.wav

ir
www.mediafire.com/listen/y687ey857m4d9a1/full+3+ir.wav

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i notice... that the power amp affects the final tone a lot!
and the low end..again i can't replicate that with ir... is more open.... :sick:

now serious.. good night!

That power amp really added mass to tone.I liked first clip above all.Nebula worked nice,still somehow dull without life in harmonics and mid highs,but had nice punch low end to it...Overall tone is scooped,but it has warmth to other do not possess.It was power amp`s deed. :thumbs up:

This ir didn`t sound so bad,but you made very thin tone,and also I think its not good match for the actual amp tone...But in contrast to tone it had the best clarity and you can hear every detail in playing in compare to the other,and it sounded more in front of the mix.

You need metal cab 4x12 with anything silimar to celection vintage 30..Mesa/Peavy or Engl cabs etc...,and the right mic.Just flip few in Recabinet if you have the trail mode still on.Finding good cab with good low end is must for metal tone...I personally use non from S-Gear,they do not work good for this kind a tone.

For your mix,drums are little bit dominant,bass is on spot,guitar tone is in backgroung of the mix.
You have space for double or quad tracking..But ther you must wise pan and eq/phase invert etc..Play a little bit with it when you find a time.


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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12038

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Beacuse it`s being mixed and produced in that way.Like Dethlok parody saying,Its metal,dynamics are for pussies.
Take a concern this clip is just shitty POD X3 Pro.I didn`t even used impulses ther,its those shitty cabs in POD.

Quallity of ir`s is matters very much.In WOS III they all breath very well ands some of them have wide dynamic.Adjusting amp also brings dynamic more or less.It all depends.
Without offence,but your producer buddy can`t get true perpective on tones and ir`s if you`re not adjust all of them well,and not played dynamically and precise as well,that he can hear what is going on.

It all made the tone good. One of them suffer it will sound bad even with the best gear on the planet.

Recabinet 4 has dynamic knob for irs,you can get how much you want,but for metal its not desirable to have much of it. And with mixing few ir`s it sound very rich in harmonics.

I can put list of my famous friends,which I have a lot.Very professional and known world musicians as well.

I learning as much as I can for years from them,but that do not speak nothing about me,and how much I know,understand,play or hear things.All that you doing for yourself.

When you do something personally that sounds ok with Nebula,I`ll be the first in line to jump and say its sound better,and start using Nebula on my own.

Heh We have different opinions and taste we have to respect that so we can end this debate. If that works for you man keep on rocking that is what is all about.

But yeah when mixing a lot of stuff can sit well in a mix. Yesterday i found old mp3 where i used my boss od pedal on amplitube 6 years ago. So both amps and cabs are amplitube and it kind of worked well in the mix. Sadly my ssd drive died and the project is gone so i did not have time to finish it. I even played midi bass on my keyboard for this.

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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12039

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Heh We have different opinions and taste we have to respect that so we can end this debate. If that works for you man keep on rocking that is what is all about.

But yeah when mixing a lot of stuff can sit well in a mix. Yesterday i found old mp3 where i used my boss od pedal on amplitube 6 years ago. So both amps and cabs are amplitube and it kind of worked well in the mix. Sadly my ssd drive died and the project is gone so i did not have time to finish it. I even played midi bass on my keyboard for this.

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Nice tune,it sounds like Gothic rock.

At the end music is all that is matter,tools are just tools.Regular people do not care how we came with results except musicians..

I hope you worked out on your vibrato for passed 6 years,at ending of main phrase you end with it,it is every time out of tune...
It`s just playing critique,otherwise,song is very nice.Beside that Gothic vibe it has also somewhat in Italian Power metal style melodies like Labyrhinth etc,if you listen that kind a stuff?

I hope you undesrtand whatever I put critique it is because I want to help people to get better...It is know a proffessional deformation.I teaching classical/country,electric/bass guitar for 5 years...

If you ever find time,please made some ideas in metal style with Nebula,I would like to see its full potential.

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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12045

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Daco_one wrote:

Heh We have different opinions and taste we have to respect that so we can end this debate. If that works for you man keep on rocking that is what is all about.

But yeah when mixing a lot of stuff can sit well in a mix. Yesterday i found old mp3 where i used my boss od pedal on amplitube 6 years ago. So both amps and cabs are amplitube and it kind of worked well in the mix. Sadly my ssd drive died and the project is gone so i did not have time to finish it. I even played midi bass on my keyboard for this.

soundcloud.com/damir-sabanovic/rock

Nice tune,it sounds like Gothic rock.

At the end music is all that is matter,tools are just tools.Regular people do not care how we came with results except musicians..

I hope you worked out on your vibrato for passed 6 years,at ending of main phrase you end with it,it is every time out of tune...
It`s just playing critique,otherwise,song is very nice.Beside that Gothic vibe it has also somewhat in Italian Power metal style melodies like Labyrhinth etc,if you listen that kind a stuff?

I hope you undesrtand whatever I put critique it is because I want to help people to get better...It is know a proffessional deformation.I teaching classical/country,electric/bass guitar for 5 years...

If you ever find time,please made some ideas in metal style with Nebula,I would like to see its full potential.

Best regards.

Yeah man I know it was Old tracks i did not remove. Thanx for the tip mozart ha ha :P just kidding. but as i sad my ssd drive died and i was left out with a mp3 bounce. I will try to cover up that if i can in the mix but sadly that one is burned in the song. I will try to fix this becuse i got some good feedback from really good singers online wanting to sing on this one ;)

Keep on rockin!! :)
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12046

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Yeah man I know it was Old tracks i did not remove. Thanx for the tip mozart ha ha :P just kidding. but as i sad my ssd drive died and i was left out with a mp3 bounce. I will try to cover up that if i can in the mix but sadly that one is burned in the song. I will try to fix this becuse i got some good feedback from really good singers online wanting to sing on this one ;)

Keep on rockin!! :)

I once lost complete demos,when my HD died.I had to recollect from mind and wrote down songs again..They were 80%,the same.Still better then nothing...It was painfull,but worth it.
You should try the same,your song do not seems very hard for tabbing.

I doing this for living(giving classes).I hoped you would appreaciate it.You would be shocked how many musicians (sometimes who playing all their life) fail on some basic things,also there are even famous one.
Of course,there are many geniuses that played in 4 better then we will for lifetime... :)
But at least we could do basics awesome. :)

As a musician,I think that positive critique is the best thing you can get.I`m not trying to act like smart ass.I wanted to help you.And sincerely,you do not have to be Mozart to hear playing out of tune.

I get critics from my buddies on fb all the time,when I practising something that is out of my level,their suggestion speed up the process and giving accent on were the problem is...

I`ll stop there,and I think we should stop there,cause we very much bringing off topic for a long time.

Keep fighting for music as well,bro.
Cheers.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12050

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A Little '59 should do the trick, or look into one of the newer DiMarzio stacked or twin blade series.


Hey Greg ! i really appreciate your tips and explanation ! Really helps ! I'm thinking aobut humbucker in the bridge since the guitar gets even more versatile.... just like in that video.... you can get some awesome tones and turn your guitar into 2 or 3 .... that's what i love about strats....

By the way wat you think about this setup? I think this is another cool trick to do to the strat... new sounds...


I don't know how it's wired, but try it if you like the idea. You can probably use a P/P pot as the switch – cheaper than getting a new pickup anyway. I'm kind of partial to pickup blending, though. I have a complicated wiring I'm going to try, but it might be cool to be able to blend one of the pickups in series with either of the others. You could then tune the circuit resonance with the blend knob, allowing a gradual change from either SC to series mode. The middle pickup should probably be the blend. You would just need to sacrifice a tone knob in blend mode, but you really wouldn't need it there. Not sure how you'd accomplish it, but series blending is a matter of sending one pickup through another via wiring one pickup in place of the tone knob cap to ground, and wiring the other other pot lug to ground. I'm sure you could set up a Super Switch and a P/P pot for some useful blending options. You'd just need to think about how to route things. Otherwise, you could just wire it with one master tone knob and convert the other knob to a series blend by moving the pickup's wire to it, or something. I don't know off hand.

BTW, FreeFileSync is great for PC file syncing. It has many configuration options, including online backup. For system backup and related functions, Acronis is great. I started backing up in the late 90's. I've lost a few HDD's, as is inevitable, but have never lost any data.

It's important to understand how guitar circuitry works to be able to configure everything the way you want, like how capacitance and resistance shape the circuit spectrum before the preamp. High H/Z pickups generally roll off well below 3kHz. It's the reason P90's typically work so well with high gain. These things should really be understood by anyone recommending guitar sound settings. It's also helpful to know how typical guitar amp tone stacks are configured, so you know where in the signal chain to boost and cut to get the gain character you want. Download the free Tone Stack Caculator to really see how common types function: www.duncanamps.com/tsc/

An averaged SA shows that Gabriel's Metal samples roll off by ~30dB/8ve at 4~5kHz, like any good overdriven electric guitar sound. It's largely why it sounds good. Check them with a SA plugin to see the differences. The defining upper-midrange differences between them are really all below 4kHz. I'm not saying higher harmonics can't be added without it still sounding good, but it's a very standard sound. Boosting 9~12kHz even by 10dB will hardly be noticed, considering that sounds ~20dB below the average song level are pretty insignificant. Tape Saturation is typically used in post to add harmonics above ~5kHz. It can sound really nice if carefully configured. There are several good tape emulation plugins now for PC. Tone Boosters 'ReelBus' is excellent. While less versatile, the free 'TesslaProMkII' tape algorithm sounds great too.

Gabe, I agree that the sounds generally have too much bass, which really should be covered by the bass guitar. I inadvertently do that too with some sounds. Trust your ears and compare a few different settings to get reference points to help fine tune the one you like best. Also, make a practice of adjusting knobs too high and too low to zero in on what sounds right. Listen closely for clashing/crackling upper-harmonics. Play diminished and augmented chords to hear if the upper-mids turn to hash. That's how you tell there are clashing harmonics, but crunchy sounds can be just fine for simple chord structures.

The spectral content/balance of a sound depends on how you want it to fit in the mix. You can save time EQing sounds with a PC plugin by Elevayta called 'Space Boy'. It's a side-chain spectral ducker used to duck the spectrum of tracks and/or busses with other tracks/busses. So, you can use the guitar sounds you create as they are and have them duck the spectrum of any background tracks or busses of your choice without having to EQ them or any other tracks in order to clear up a mix. Purists may not want to use such a thing, but it works quite well if not set for extreme ducking levels. Think about the fact that orchestras and ensembles played together for centuries without EQ. Why waste time EQing tracks if you don't need to, and why compromise the sound of your favorite presets if you don't have to? You can use two Spaceboy ducking “receive” instances in the same song, and as many ducking “transmit” triggers sent to either Receive instances as you want. FI, you determine which tracks will dominate the spectral “foreground”, and the spectrum of those tracks will only duck the spectrum of any background tracks sent to the Spaceboy buss while they are playing. You can use the other receive instance to duck the bass with the bass drum, or set up a secondary background ducking buss that is ducked by other background tracks...or whatever else makes sense to you. Time marches on. Leave outdated mixing practices behind and get on with creating.

It's not standard to use Strat pickups for Metal, so driving the preamp too hard will create upper-mid hash. That's where the drive/dry signal blend function of a TS-808 helps. Since the drive signal is all midrange, there is no hash in it. The dry signal is blended in to some extent, so the bass and treble are heard cleanly in the transients. You can set the amp up for the amount of drive you want on the full guitar signal. Set the TS pedal for unity gain, adding drive to taste. It's important for the TS drive not to sound at all inharmonic, so the amp drive won't then add higher sharp harmonics to the sound. Just use your ears. Better yet, try the free Nick Crow Lab 'TubeDriver'. It's very well-designed, and has up to 16x oversampling for a natural high end. You can shape the filtering pre and post drive, and mix in the dry signal to taste. The Pre EQ LP filter 'Resonance' and drive section 'Bias' features are particularity useful. Bias balances odd & even harmonics. I'd start by using that and the HP filter to shape the guitar signal, but you can emulate different pickups by boosting the low end a bit with the BP filter and/or creating a plateau above the LP filter frequency with the HF Shelf filter. FI, you could set the LP to 2.2kHz with the Resonance at 0.2 or so. Then, set the HFS to ~4.3kHz and boost it ~6dB –whatever sounds good to you. Set the HP to maybe 2ooHz, or whatever sounds right for the drive sound with the pickup in use, and experiment with bass to mid frequency boosting by a few dB or so via the BP filter. Remember: 250~400Hz can be muddy. Below that is up to you for the kind of punch you want in the drive sound. 600~800Hz can have a horn-like quality. Above that to ~1.5kHz can be nasal or kazoo-like. 1.5~2kHz can impart a Hendrix-like sweet brightness. You can instead use the LP filter settings for sweet brightness at ~1.7kHz, freeing up the BP for a bass boost. That's just one generic high gain friendly setup. Surely there are options for higher frequency pre LP filter settings that can work: ~4.3kHz & 6kHz come to mind. The post drive filter settings should be easy to adjust by ear once the Pre EQ and drive section settings are configured. Then, adjust the dry level to taste.

“...fizz more to my ears”. It really seems like a personal preference thing. The word “fizz” is subjective. There doesn't seem to be a definitive meaning. I should think boosting 9-12kHz would increase what many might consider fizz. That could be actually nice. Tape saturation adds higher harmonics, which may or may not sound fizzy. I think there is a certain level of confirmation bias about fizz. Either way, I think it's hard to tell how something will fit in a mix until you try it. It can then be a matter of a few simple adjustments. Main things to listen for are harshness vs definition in the 2~4kHz range & brittleness vs sparkle probably from 4~6kHz. There may be fizziness above that which can be reduced, but it might be fine if it's not too inharmonic. I wouldn't get too caught up in a particular sound, but think more about how to use each element in the chain to various effect. That means understanding what's actually coming from the guitar source first. Tape saturation is good for some nice air. Eddy Krammer did it all before Heavy Metal reared it's gruesome head. lol.

I don't believe there is any reason Nebula would cause more fizz with higher gain sounds. Nebula should technically be closer to the real thing than anything else, so driving it harder might add higher harmonics. Perhaps turning the input down would solve it? It does come down to the cab simulations as well. That's another area of personal preference. I don't know of any 4 x 12” cab that is truly correctly configured for the speakers. Different people prefer certain cab resonances over others. The reason an old Marshall cab sounds boomy and less crisp is because there isn't any sound deadening material inside, so the cab booms at ~120Hz(?) and the reflections coming off the insides partially cancel some upper-mids in the speakers. Neither effect was intentional, and the cabs were not specifically designed for the speakers. All 4 x 12” cabs are much too small for the driver surface area, but they seem to work well enough. Why would you assume that cab IR's are necessarily brighter than the real thing? It all depends on how the IR's were mic'd. Maybe lower sample rate IR's sound more crisp because of aliasing and/or filter ringing? Of course, how could we possibly confirm the supposition?
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12051

GCKelloch,you have good points there,but as on every of your comments you get so overwhleming with comments that I dont know what to answer?; :mrgreen: And if I would answer on all it would be giangatic also.

I would just answer on few things that gets to my mind...Metal players really have extremely different rhythm sounds.You talking just about one in Metallica EMG style tone...But we know there are plenty of artist who came with their own..
You said you listened Pantera,you can clearly notced Dime`s guitar have very good presense and high mids...That all comes from very clear double rail ceramic bridge pickups,solid state amp and tones of gain...

That thing cutting like a knife...Tone is scooped but has less low end and much more open top end,of what I talk about...
Its not about who will notice that,it just sounds opened in the mix...

So that`s a one example,and there are plenty of them...

For fizz I prety much agree,its personal preference,Someone like some harmonics more then others...

But I was talking about something in Nebula that sound totally unatural if you try to achive opened tone,it do not fizz in classical cab way that we talking about.There is something artificial and digital there,like I mentioned it sound almost like phase issue,or problem with electricity hum etc..
Even Line 6 early products has something similar it if you crank highs too much.

On other thing it sound more as real thing,my only tonal complaint would be ,I never heard any that do not sound warm and out of focus...

And for ir`s,I agree there are all kinds of them,different distance,mics,cab types,so it indicates to have a lots tonally diferent types...They are not necessary always opened.
Metal player suse 4x12 as a standard...Sound is just meatier with pulm muting,but there are tones of different sounds,every brand has its own so there are plenty of options to find a perfect match.

Liek in everything,we just need to experiment and,tweak to isntanity,and make a ltos of different projects,all comes down after few years of hard work.;)

And Gabriel bro,you are pretty much on yourself with further tweakings,you get the grip of basics...
Everything else is practice and taste.;)
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12055

We have to respect different opinions guys, thats all. Someone likes my stuff someone feels it sucks. The same goes with you guys some likes the sound you have and someone feels it sounds like a pocked pod on batteries. We are all different ;)

Either way we try to play real music.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12060

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We have to respect different opinions guys, thats all. Someone likes my stuff someone feels it sucks. The same goes with you guys some likes the sound you have and someone feels it sounds like a pocked pod on batteries. We are all different ;)

Either way we try to play real music.

Of course tone is way better then any POD,tonally and quallity wise.Its hard to sound that bad in 2015. ;)
I was talking about that fizzling in tone that reminds like POD`s processors when highs get crancked up.
It so annoyed me for years,I can recognized it at first few seconds of listening how much I years spend in trying to avoid it.The best way was to stop using it, :)

Normal listeners would not even paying attention to it.So its all about the music,we all can agree.


But as this is geek musician forum,and we try to share experiences.It not You Tube either.
Greg has bucket full of information.I like discussing with him.
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12062

Yeah everything can sit well in a mix if you have time to tweak it good enough for the mix.

I will try the amplitube 4 cabs when they arrive they seem interesting but for now i stick to real amp heads with tubes and nebula but thats just me. Some much work right now not so much time to play LOL
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Yeah everything can sit well in a mix if you have time to tweak it good enough for the mix.

I will try the amplitube 4 cabs when they arrive they seem interesting but for now i stick to real amp heads with tubes and nebula but thats just me. Some much work right now not so much time to play LOL

Yes too much options can drive out creativity.One should be carefull with that.

I would probably in future buy Nebula for just clean parts when I would have some extra money to spare.
By the way,I do not need server edition,just this pro to being able to use Nebula cabs?
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12064

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A Little '59 should do the trick, or look into one of the newer DiMarzio stacked or twin blade series.



Greg i want to thank you for all the time you reply with a long text... is a lot of useful info you share... tks for the plugin tips... need to try for sure!

I learn a lot from your posts... since i came into elec. gtr we can face a lot of extra stuff... acoustic guitar seems to be so "basic" just grab and play!
now all this pedal, impedance , tube, bias, speaker, cab, power amp, pick up, and many more.. is a vast universe of tonal creative possibilites ...

Tks for your time mister! :good job:
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Guys i can't become Andy Sneap from only 2hrs mixing and dealing with this high gain " madness" .... but i can't try to learn some stuff... as i said before... for me is a EXERCISE ... im very open mind to new stuff... and im trying to learn about nebula even more and deal with the weakness of the plataform...

in this clip i just pan the gtr to left very little pan... just to separete form the bass...
AGAN not a PRO mix ... check if nebula sounds that bad...

the D1 and D11 is nebula the D2 and D22 is IR

www.mediafire.com/listen/wzi764aeyb99w2j/D1.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/vgbsaepepua6e5t/D2.wav
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www.mediafire.com/listen/ogko89z4k1xx185/D11.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/vgbsaepepua6e5t/D2.wav
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i think the nebula files seems to try to knock you down lol ... hold tight to your chair ... lol ...

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Guys i can't become Andy Sneap from only 2hrs mixing and dealing with this high gain " madness" .... but i can't try to learn some stuff... as i said before... for me is a EXERCISE ... im very open mind to new stuff... and im trying to learn about nebula even more and deal with the weakness of the plataform...

in this clip i just pan the gtr to left very little pan... just to separete form the bass...
AGAN not a PRO mix ... check if nebula sounds that bad...

the D1 and D11 is nebula the D2 and D22 is IR

www.mediafire.com/listen/wzi764aeyb99w2j/D1.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/vgbsaepepua6e5t/D2.wav
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www.mediafire.com/listen/ogko89z4k1xx185/D11.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/vgbsaepepua6e5t/D2.wav
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i think the nebula files seems to try to knock you down lol ... hold tight to your chair ... lol ...

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No one expecting from you to do so. ;) We just gave you suggestions,at what to look in order to make better judgment with Nebula and ir`s...

I`m glad you started to get into little bit mixing metal basics .
And I hope you having a fun while learning.

Something is wrong with clips,left channel is higher then right on some clips,and there is not bass guitar in the mix?

With this cab selections Nebula sound meatier and better reacts on p.m.,ir`s saturate better and have richer harmonics,

That is what I hear.

When you pan two guitar go hard left and right...with double tracking as starting point.
And put little more drive to tone,just a tiny bit..And for IR`s I think you need more gain to give little bodiment..

Obviously you have to tweak amp very differently when you use nebula ,Ir`s or any two different cab simulations.I hope you doing that?

See ya at new clips.;)
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[quote="Studiostriver" post=12068
Something is wrong with clips,left channel is higher then right on some clips,and there is not bass guitar in the mix?

With this cab selections Nebula sound meatier and better reacts on p.m.,ir`s saturate better and have richer harmonics,

That is what I hear.

See ya at new clips.;)[/quote]

I done that pan on pourpouse... i think i let the bass with very low volume... tried to set the guitar just a little left... is only on gtr... i did'nt put 2 on left and other to the right... maybe with some more free time.. i can try that since i have the files from that nice fella!

if i can use some words to describe IRs and nebula...

irs sound like a "tired" version of the guitar sound... nebula sort of have some extra air... and realy pumps the sound... close to a real cabinet ...dynamic behaviour... just like when the real speakers move...

when i load my template with amp sim and nebula it makes want to play and many time just the raw sound is fine... that crunch with punch... is enough for spend some time with my beloved guitar in hands...

the high gain stuff is cool... to learn more styles... im not that good with metronome practice.. and tend to give up on leanr palm mute and djent... but i do like to learn new styles...
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And something about this metal thing,if you do not like it,screw it..If you do not like mixing screw it too..
Do what you like to be good at.Why even bother?

As far as Ir goes,it can pump the sound as well without any problem.Just need to find the right one.It will not to get by itself.This one obviously do not work at all if you want that pumping sound.
When you find it,you need to tweak it...to get a good matching tone like a real amp fo fit with the mix etc etc..
For metal mixing there are too much say and learn.If you ever feel you want to learn more,on internet there are tones of good info and You Tube,just to get the grip,cause I can`t help you a lot with my few comments,do this do that...Id need a lots of things till it start to get humble at start..If not,get away from it.It gonna took you hours of work,do whatever you like,and spend time with it..

Getting good tone for playing in a room and for mixing are always very different things.

I have very good presets that sound wonderful,and I immediately want to start to play them.
But in metal music to get compact tone,it demans a hell of lot tweaking.Good metal tones do not comes with turning few knobs.

I recently listened Demo of Kalthallen Cabs,they have free Nebula library as well.
cabs.kalthallen.de/

The guy who made them record mix and dry clips of real cabs/ir`s and Nebula...He said it and I agree with him diffence between them in the mix is so small that it really don`t matter what you using at all.

To short the story,its just how good are you at it.

And same goes with playing.I can`t encourage you enough to start to play with metronome.
I doing that with kids I giving classes on daily basis,when we have some technical skills,scales or just want to play chords and songs in right time...

I tried to put some answer on our discussion.
Best regards.

And for example here is one demo I stumbled upon of good tweaked guitar tone with ir`s in the mix.


And hard rock/rock as well:
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And something about this metal thing,if you do not like it,screw it..If you do not like mixing screw it too..
Do what you like to be good at.Why even bother?



And same goes with playing.I can`t encourage you enough to start to play with metronome.
I doing that with kids I giving classes on daily basis,when we have some technical skills,scales or just want to play chords and songs in right time...

I tried to put some answer on our discussion.
Best regards.

why bother? ... well i will repeat... i like to learn (new styles and my tools)... and for me that is enough reason...

and when i said im not good with metronome i mean this type of "good" ... .... i just can't see my self working a lot to do this... i normally try to play in time but not sound- speed time... :|


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and yes if the results are indistinguishable ... very small and all of that... i agree just don't bother and there's no need to change... since is " indistinguishable" and "very small" diferences...

since my main thing is clean to medium gain and not a single djent riff... im pretty well covered... and just can't go back to irs... sometimes(not always) i buy new ownhammer stuff for support the guy...
today time is the main issue... if you have a setup that really give you fast results... go for it!
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Studiostriver wrote:

And something about this metal thing,if you do not like it,screw it..If you do not like mixing screw it too..
Do what you like to be good at.Why even bother?



And same goes with playing.I can`t encourage you enough to start to play with metronome.
I doing that with kids I giving classes on daily basis,when we have some technical skills,scales or just want to play chords and songs in right time...

I tried to put some answer on our discussion.
Best regards.

why bother? ... well i will repeat... i like to learn (new styles and my tools)... and for me that is enough reason...

and when i said im not good with metronome i mean this type of "good" ... .... i just can't see my self working a lot to do this... i normally try to play in time but not sound- speed time... :|


...

and yes if the results are indistinguishable ... very small and all of that... i agree just don't bother and there's no need to change... since is " indistinguishable" and "very small" diferences...

since my main thing is clean to medium gain and not a single djent riff... im pretty well covered... and just can't go back to irs... sometimes(not always) i buy new ownhammer stuff for support the guy...
today time is the main issue... if you have a setup that really give you fast results... go for it!

If you want to learn it so then its good reason enough... :) You said i taking you too much time of actually playing guitar which is true,it takes a lot of time..Thats why I made this comment.

And for playing with metronome.You do not have to play fast at all,but playing with metronome is crucial.
Its not about speed,its about precision and sureness of tone while you playing even very slow or moderate piece.

In days when I practiced a lot I could get 200 bmp in 16th (4 notes per click)with both hands,and only right hand 230bps.But i did not practice speed for a long time,full time job killed a free time.

And about cabs I agree totally with you,whatever it works good just go for it..It all depends on you what feels good for you and your playing style.

And you made few awesome clean and ovedriven tones I heard from clips so far.Keep it up.

Just one quesion,what version of Nebula you using Pro or Server?

Nevertheless I stop talking about Nebula/IR topic..I think we said it all,and I already poluted this post too much with my impressions.
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And you made few awesome clean and ovedriven tones I heard from clips so far.Keep it up.

Just one quesion,what version of Nebula you using Pro or Server?

Nevertheless I stop talking about Nebula/IR topic..I think we said it all,and I already poluted this post too much with my impressions.


Hey man tks!

The nebula server is only if you need to use more computers... you can do just fine with the pro version...

by the way before oyu stop talking about nebula / irs ... check this sound example...
i know is a clean sound but here i did something diferent i was searching aobut mixing irs and stuff and decided to try this mixing formula with nebula.. it owrks really well... i will post some high gain sounds tomorrow...

i did something that i never did before... i think it sounds AMAZING.... just wow...
the recepie was 'simple.."
one track with sgear cab bypassed.. feed by 2 aux tracks one aux with a condenser mic and another with a sm57 ...
both form a 4x12... the trick that i did was to CUT THE HIGH freq of the condenser... and KEEP THE LOW freq...
and CUT THE LOW freq of the sm57 and KEEP THE HIGH... and all by ear select a nice balance...
the high gain sounds are much better... than my previous clips... i think this is the way to go...

the ir file seems a little louder..but i was mixing with headphones... and i need to sleep... sloopy playing... but i think it sounds awesome!

IR
www.mediafire.com/listen/dq8en8d881bdx3o/FORMULA_IR.wav
NEBULA
www.mediafire.com/listen/ut10qf0bvwqtzcv/FORMULA.wav
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S gear with Nebula 3 years 11 months ago #12076

Hi,yes sounds are beter from both.
I liked IR more,somehow it has great feel when you pluck the strings with finger,more articulation,and as always richer high end and harmonics...Sound very good and organic.

Nebula sounded more open and glassy highs,still very muffled in harmonics compare to IR,but has much sweeter mids.
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