Studiostriver wrote:

Daco_one wrote:

Yes i can agree that the bass i a little bit high. Like i said the strings are really old so the muddy part and lack of tone is a consequence of that also. Like i said NO eq or anything is aplied so you dont have to mention mixing now everybody knows that there is low cuts, high cuts and removing the muddy parts in the low mids. On this clip i never wanted to show something mix ready instead i wanted to show how more organic and alive the cab sounds with nebula and i dont get that high fizz. This was a very raw recording. I think that everybody knows that guitars is all about the mids. For me its all about making the cabs sounds like real cabs with low end body resonance and air, The static impulse has a static freq response and is not driven by the overdrive so it sounds like a dead cab.

And the whole low end story. When you crank up a guitar you suppose to feel the floor moving that is not missing in nebula like it does an the other impulses. And when you have higher low cut it still have some body and resonance. With impulses it just becomes thin you dont want to remove the body. But yeah all the mixing and eq is alot of taste issues. For me in the end the most important thing is to record in a apartment and make it sound like a real cab not some plastic software distortion.

Well to me it doesn`t sound like a real cab at all.It just sound different then ir`s. No better in any way,for the sound you made.
You get no fizz in sacrifize to get muddy tone which possess no focus.It still sound artifical even without a fizz.

If you know the tone is mids,which obiously everybody knows,their adjusting tells something different very often.That`s why I wrote it.

Ir`s tend to sound one dimensional,that everybody knows so also,but with applying two or three impulses that pretty much makes it much better and very realistic..With careful ammount of mixing them into one wall of sound tone of course.
Recording 2/3 tracks with different ir`s makes it finding missing harmonics you lack in other etc...
I guess everyone knows that two.

I would still love to have focus of ir`s in compare to Nebula`s cabs which to me brings nothing actually for Hi gain tone. Tone is not precise enough and very muddy to my taste.

I just saying what I hearing.
If it sounds any good or convincing I would immediately said,and embrace it as a superior.

I am know even more sure there is nothing in it,to suits my personal tone needs.

They all sound without a focus.

But I`m human being,I could be very wrong,that are just my impressions on Nebula so far.
If you find time make a whole mix tone with Nebula cabs.

If we skip my recording i really cant see how you think that the recabinet is better sounding. I tried recabinet 3 and 4 and what is missing is the frequence response and the 3d effect. The recabinet clip you presented sounds very amplitube cab similar. Very plastic. So if i have to choose a plastic guitar sound or a organic 3d cab with maybe less focus ill chose that everyday and tweak for better result I in general dont give a shitt about nebula but i can stand for what i hear is a better result for the cab. Off course all guitar player have their own taste.

IF you have time upload some of your stuff so we can have a discussion. Belive me i try everything if i can, with nebula i can make eggs on my cpu

Daco_one wrote:

If we skip my recording i really cant see how you think that the recabinet is better sounding. I tried recabinet 3 and 4 and what is missing is the frequence response and the 3d effect. The recabinet clip you presented sounds very amplitube cab similar. Very plastic. So if i have to choose a plastic guitar sound or a organic 3d cab with maybe less focus ill chose that everyday and tweak for better result I in general dont give a shitt about nebula but i can stand for what i hear is a better result for the cab. Off course all guitar player have their own taste.

IF you have time upload some of your stuff so we can have a discussion. Belive me i try everything if i can, with nebula i can make eggs on my cpu

I believe you tried everything.But if you think Recabinet sound any way similar then Amplitube you do not have any clue...

I tested it in version 3 and did not like it.I also recorded with real amps possible before you started playing guitar. I know how real sounds behave.

Recabinet 4 amps sounds very good.Its up to S-gear imho.Cabs can sounds right,but Im` with Torpedo WOS III which to me sound very good.

And it sounds way better then average real amps.I tested tones of Marshall/Randall/Vox/Roland amps in last decade.

Without actual recording guitar in the mix you will never know how good it sounds by itself.

All Nebula sound pretty way out of focus tones,from what I heard so much.
I explained why non linear cabs do nothing in metal context when it comes about producing music.So you I gave two valid reason against Nebula.

Look at intro of guitar in Glenn`s video.That was actual recording of live gear(Peavey 5150 with Mesa 4X12).It do not sound too much worse in mix then Recabinet 4.

He is producer for 20 years,so I respect his opinion.

Even with worse gear you can get good results,key is to improve your producing skill over the years.

Here is my recording on Line 6 PODX3 Pro on riff contest 6 months ago.Recorded bass and guitar,mixing and mastering by myself,with provided drum track.

what about sgear?

here is the wayfarer... one track have recabinet power amp section on... which glues the sound imo..

3 clips.. one is with sgear recabinet and nebula
one with sgear and nebula
one with sgear and IR

www.mediafire.com/listen/andslffo994mfob/b1%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/08yjiotu91cv08n/b2%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/2o85kblj9kbvn61/b3.wav

Studiostriver wrote:

Daco_one wrote:

If we skip my recording i really cant see how you think that the recabinet is better sounding. I tried recabinet 3 and 4 and what is missing is the frequence response and the 3d effect. The recabinet clip you presented sounds very amplitube cab similar. Very plastic. So if i have to choose a plastic guitar sound or a organic 3d cab with maybe less focus ill chose that everyday and tweak for better result I in general dont give a shitt about nebula but i can stand for what i hear is a better result for the cab. Off course all guitar player have their own taste.

IF you have time upload some of your stuff so we can have a discussion. Belive me i try everything if i can, with nebula i can make eggs on my cpu

I believe you tried everything.But if you think Recabinet sound any way similar then Amplitube you do not have any clue...

I tested it in version 3 and did not like it.I also recorded with real amps possible before you started playing guitar. I know how real sounds behave.

Recabinet 4 amps sounds very good.Its up to S-gear imho.Cabs can sounds right,but Im` with Torpedo WOS III which to me sound very good.

And it sounds way better then average real amps.I tested tones of Marshall/Randall/Vox/Roland amps in last decade.

Without actual recording guitar in the mix you will never know how good it sounds by itself.

All Nebula sound pretty way out of focus tones,from what I heard so much.
I explained why non linear cabs do nothing in metal context when it comes about producing music.So you I gave two valid reason against Nebula.

Look at intro of guitar in Glenn`s video.That was actual recording of live gear(Peavey 5150 with Mesa 4X12).It do not sound too much worse in mix then Recabinet 4.

He is producer for 20 years,so I respect his opinion.

Even with worse gear you can get good results,key is to improve your producing skill over the years.

Here is my recording on Line 6 PODX3 Pro on riff contest 6 months ago.Recorded bass and guitar,mixing and mastering by myself,with provided drum track.

Recabinet is a little bit better but they are in the same static genre sounding very plastic and you can not feel/hear any air between the mic and the cab. Hehe my friend worked 30 years as a producer here in sweden and in LA during the 80s and played with alot of bands back then where yngwies rising force drummer was his drummer in his band. I let him listen to to s-gear/amplitube/recabinet/revalver vs amp head with dummy load and nebula cab and he sad that the nebula sound with real amp head is way way better. And this guy have plenty of guitar gear from the late seventies marshall to the late mesa boogie and produced tons of bands in USA and sweden and worked with bands like Europe so you can put your ego aside my friend

Your clip is okey but still sounds like all other static impulses i dont hear any cab breathing or any dynamic.

Beacuse it`s being mixed and produced in that way.Like Dethlok parody saying,Its metal,dynamics are for pussies.
Take a concern this clip is just shitty POD X3 Pro.I didn`t even used impulses ther,its those shitty cabs in POD.

Quallity of ir`s is matters very much.In WOS III they all breath very well ands some of them have wide dynamic.Adjusting amp also brings dynamic more or less.It all depends.
Without offence,but your producer buddy can`t get true perpective on tones and ir`s if you`re not adjust all of them well,and not played dynamically and precise as well,that he can hear what is going on.

It all made the tone good. One of them suffer it will sound bad even with the best gear on the planet.

Recabinet 4 has dynamic knob for irs,you can get how much you want,but for metal its not desirable to have much of it. And with mixing few ir`s it sound very rich in harmonics.

I can put list of my famous friends,which I have a lot.Very professional and known world musicians as well.

I learning as much as I can for years from them,but that do not speak nothing about me,and how much I know,understand,play or hear things.All that you doing for yourself.

When you do something personally that sounds ok with Nebula,I`ll be the first in line to jump and say its sound better,and start using Nebula on my own.

Cool down guys! This is a friendly forum where **opinions** are welcomed (let's not forget that these are opinions being discussed, not cold hard facts), but above all we don't offend other members for having views which are unlike our own.

elambo wrote:

Cool down guys! This is a friendly forum where **opinions** are welcomed (let's not forget that these are opinions being discussed, not cold hard facts), but above all we don't offend other members for having views which are unlike our own.

Totally agree,this should be on very normal level talking,but he took it too personal.
I just talked from my personal opinion what sound better. I didn`t say it ultimate truth.
Everyone has different ear on how he/she think it should sound.

Here are some demos from Steve Stevens:
What you think?To me they sound pretty nice.

I'm not going to regurgitate quotes but it has been implied that opinions are wrong, that the experience of friends validates such opinions (which is ridiculous as not even our own ears can validate an *opinion*), and these videos are proving nothing. I've not listened to any of them because I've used each of these products myself and it's clear that online demos, especially in these cases,are poor references for the actual product.

If someone enjoys Product A and they think it's the bee's knees, great! I'm glad they've found something that makes them happy. But none of us should criticise their opinion nor try to convince them that it's wrong and that Product B is generally superior. If they've compared both, fairly, then their experience isn't wrong, even if it varies from our own.

elambo wrote:

I'm not going to regurgitate quotes but it has been implied that opinions are wrong, that the experience of friends validates such opinions (which is ridiculous as not even our own ears can validate an *opinion*), and these videos are proving nothing. I've not listened to any of them because I've used each of these products myself and it's clear that online demos, especially in these cases,are poor references for the actual product.

If someone enjoys Product A and they think it's the bee's knees, great! I'm glad they've found something that makes them happy. But none of us should criticise their opinion nor try to convince them that it's wrong and that Product B is generally superior. If they've compared both, fairly, then their experience isn't wrong, even if it varies from our own.

Amen

is cool to see that the nice hair style fella is using ownhammer irs... lol....

one thing that i notice is that people seems to forget that valve amps and real cabinets sound more "darker" than some irs... the mic'ed sound....

we are soo use to irs that is normal to strange a more heavy low end...

regarding fizz and hiss.. im still working with some approach... if you guys check my last sound clips... the B files... b1 b2 and b3 ...

and just keep the spirit of the forum ... lol... which is have some fun!

don't take life too serious ... im in a reflect mood..since a friend of mine lost his mother yesterday...

life is just like that... fast....

gabrielscruff wrote:

is cool to see that the nice hair style fella is using ownhammer irs... lol....

one thing that i notice is that people seems to forget that valve amps and real cabinets sound more "darker" than some irs... the mic'ed sound....

we are soo use to irs that is normal to strange a more heavy low end...

regarding fizz and hiss.. im still working with some approach... if you guys check my last sound clips... the B files... b1 b2 and b3 ...

and just keep the spirit of the forum ... lol... which is have some fun!

don't take life too serious ... im in a reflect mood..since a friend of mine lost his mother yesterday...

life is just like that... fast....

I`m sorry for this rude discussion,I should never get into it at first place.
Fizz and hissing is very often personal taste bro.Someone loves that sound.It makes guitar agressive.
Just make some tunes and see how it sound to you...

And I agree with you,real cabs are always darker,we tend to forget that.
I didn`t liked ir`s to be honest when they came out,but once I heard people getting very good result,and Steve Stevens(guys with cooll hairstyle) is one of my favorite guitar players.I saw he using Ownhammer, S,in Mix IR`s as well,and WOS..Maybe its allussion but to me WOS loader sound better then one I used previously...

S-Gear too has very good ir loader.

I know a lot of guys actually love that fizzy tones tones.I personally love balanced,but rich in harmonics.But very often I go to something more edgy I must admit.

When I was younger I loved more low end...I guess tastes also changing through the years.

As for loss of you friend`s mom,I feel you bro.Only when we loose someone we starts to thinking how life is very fragile thing.Once very close to us we new,all of sudden gone...My grandma got sick in last year and she`s getting weaker as time pass by,so I pretty much have that grief in my heart as you...

Time pass by very quickly.

I will hear the clips know.

Are there your last clips?

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check this 2 new clips..more gain ... tell me what you think?

www.mediafire.com/listen/xrscyrp6bqy050d/a1.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/xc12kqd3dn3kdva/a2.wav

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I find they have less dry tone then the clips you made before,which is good thing for metal.
This tone is enough good starting point for mixing.And you managed to get rid of fizz,only it hiss little bit,but I`m sure with drums it will not be noticeable at all.

In future if you have some drum tracks and bass lines I encoruage you try to work on how it would sound with basic bass/drums/guitar context...

Not for this sound,I meant for any new you planning to make.It`s recommendation. To make things more live.

yep life is hard sometimes... but the end is the same for everyone... we just don't know when ...

nice to hear that the fizz leave the room lol...

NEW CLIPS > ONE IR AND THE OTHER NEBULA there is a little diference in volume...

www.mediafire.com/listen/m66kjxzd21eoss1/c1.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/ctc384zc075967t/c2.wav

i tried to put od pedal > amp> nebula power amp and nebula cab...
the other file is the signal chain with ir and without nebula power amp/cab

yes i try to do that normally i put some backing track and do the eq on the track to make the guitar find some space and sit on the mix.. but since we are talking about raw and heavy sounds..i tried to keep the files as raw as possible... in a mix they can sound better....

gabrielscruff wrote:

yep life is hard sometimes... but the end is the same for everyone... we just don't know when ...

nice to hear that the fizz leave the room lol...

NEW CLIPS > ONE IR AND THE OTHER NEBULA there is a little diference in volume...

www.mediafire.com/listen/m66kjxzd21eoss1/c1.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/ctc384zc075967t/c2.wav

i tried to put od pedal > amp> nebula power amp and nebula cab...
the other file is the signal chain with ir and without nebula power amp/cab

yes i try to do that normally i put some backing track and do the eq on the track to make the guitar find some space and sit on the mix.. but since we are talking about raw and heavy sounds..i tried to keep the files as raw as possible... in a mix they can sound better....

I liked previous clips better.they sounded fairly close..On this one hiss is gone,but fizz came,but very a little..But all of it was not a problem at all.You could leave it as that.

Try to combine them together into double track,one has opposite sound to antother,they should probably sound interesting...Just watch if it has phase issues,revert polarity on one of the track,in needed.

For test sake,it would be interestng to try to leave Nebula power amp,and try with ir...Maybe it came to sound something between those two clips.

To my ears,maybe put Nebula for low end job,and clas ir for hig end...and blend them together...
I just throwing whatever idea comes in my mind.Maybe you`ll find something useful of it.

I NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIRE THEM BOTH !!! LOL

but this is the last file for today..im tired.. but i think it sounds cool... for my ears the diference is dramatic inthis example.. the lond end i just can dial in something close with the ir... but check our friends hiss and fizz...

www.mediafire.com/listen/o5lrc8t3ekfc4no...er+amp+IR%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/18j7o2naefoydrg/powr+amp.wav

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i need to try the spread trick... i think it works really well...

gabrielscruff wrote:

I NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIRE THEM BOTH !!! LOL

but this is the last file for today..im tired.. but i think it sounds cool... for my ears the diference is dramatic inthis example.. the lond end i just can dial in something close with the ir... but check our friends hiss and fizz...

www.mediafire.com/listen/o5lrc8t3ekfc4no...er+amp+IR%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/18j7o2naefoydrg/powr+amp.wav

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i need to try the spread trick... i think it works really well...

Hey you getting better.

I like them both in certain way,first sound somehow tubey and warm,but clear enough. (power amp IR)

And second one has very rich low end,and not muddy at all...Maybe not buy itself,but it would sound very good with combining with open thinner tone witch richer harmonics will make perfect match for full frequency tone.

Hiss and fizz are at background,not too noticeble also...With Nebula cab I again hear that something which can be recognized as nebula cab...If you got what I mean?

S-Gear has left the building, and it's a Nebula topic (et al), so we're moving this to The Lounge.

gabrielscruff wrote:

what about sgear?

here is the wayfarer... one track have recabinet power amp section on... which glues the sound imo..

3 clips.. one is with sgear recabinet and nebula
one with sgear and nebula
one with sgear and IR

www.mediafire.com/listen/andslffo994mfob/b1%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/08yjiotu91cv08n/b2%282%29.wav

www.mediafire.com/listen/2o85kblj9kbvn61/b3.wav

I know found that you made those clips,arghhh...
1st track one with recabinet power amp I personally liked the best.This the best tone so far,for me.

elambo wrote:

S-Gear has left the building, and it's a Nebula topic (et al), so we're moving this to The Lounge.

i think that move the tread wasn't necessary.. i've started this tread a year ago and this is the first sound clip that i decide to use other amp sims.... just to ilustrate another topic high gain... but you guy know what to do right?

and yep im still on " life analisys mode" ... do as you pleased mister moderator

i don't want to make ir sound bad.. but.. i think i preffer nebula... "almost full mix.. " ... sounds cool huh?
full nebula
www.mediafire.com/listen/to9abanmtc6uidc/full+1.wav

without power amp nebula
www.mediafire.com/listen/3b585dpzw454e5a/full+2+no+pwr.wav

ir
www.mediafire.com/listen/y687ey857m4d9a1/full+3+ir.wav

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i notice... that the power amp affects the final tone a lot!
and the low end..again i can't replicate that with ir... is more open....

now serious.. good night!